Everything that i stated is correct you may not agree with my conclusion but that is what the law is. So are you saying that you feel that teenagers should be arrested and prosecuted for child pornography?
Richard Oliver
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
This is a much deeper subject. What is defined as child pornography is different and has different exceptions based on what is the image and how it is used. By your definition a doctor conducting research by taking pictures of children's genitalia where that child has a medical condition could be construed by some as child pornography. Or if a parent innocently takes a funny picture of children in the bathtub playing like many parents did in the past that could be construed and child pornography. Or if a teenager takes a naked selfie of themselves and sends it to their boyfriend/girlfriend who is also under age both have trafficked in child pornography. In the US there is also been cases where there has been virtual child pornography cases where the courts have ruled that only an actual minor can be considered in the trafficking of child pornography. Also, most states and the federal government allow for the accidental viewing or downloading of child pornography but is also very specific depending on the jurisdiction on what needs to be reported and what doesn't.
Justice Stewart wrote:
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." So there is always questions when it comes to pornography.
Also you have to remember some jurisdictions like Australia has much stricter rules on pornography in general than other jurisdictions. And what you are quoting from is a worldwide document.
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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents
by Simon injudge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.
imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.
by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.
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Richard Oliver
Watchtower just filed the opening brief in this case. All california appeals court briefs can be accessed through the the 4 main law libraries in California:
http://calcountylawlib.libguides.com/calbriefs
Appeals court case number:
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Stop Jehovah's Witnesses from posting outside of Disneyland
by Roberto Carlos inplease sign petition to have disneyland stop jw's preaching outside gate.
click here to sign petition (not spam, real link).
jehovah's witnesses have been involved in vast amount of pedophilia cases.
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Richard Oliver
There are two JW carts/tables on Disney private property in Downtown Disney.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
And OC.
Compensation is a form of redress for liability or culpability. So by saying that compensation will be on a case by case basis, that would indicate that liability and culpability is not certain in each case either to the same degree or at all. If that was not the case then the chair would not state that the compensation would be handled on a case by case basis, he would have stated that the compensation would be the same across the board.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
Please tell me where either the chair or the commission said that all of the cases are institutional abuse.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
Neither the commission nor the chair said "ALL of the cases are institutional abuse." What the chair said was "Your organisation came clearly within our terms of referencebecause we are required to look at the response of your organisation." Notice that the chair did not say that all of the cases are institutional abuse nor are all of the claims fall under that. The chair said that the organization came under their right to investigate.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
OC:
I don't see how a case by case basis does not mean that there are some that would not be organizational abuse cases. Clearly, there are some that aren't just by the simple fact that some of those cases the abuser was not a member, that is just one example. There are going to be other examples too.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
I can live with myself because I can understand and accept the complexity of the situation. And yes how people are labeled is important to the law. Even the commission in Australia recognize that. While speaking of a compensation scheme. You are correct the commission did decide that watchtower did fall under their definition of institutional abuse that they were investigating, but they also said not all cases are such. That the cases would be handled and determined on a case by case basis. Or did no one hear that because it wasn't a complete damning of watchtower.
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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.
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Richard Oliver
You do realize that the United Church had a different relationship with the abusers and the victims. These events took place in schools and out of home institutions. So the abusers were employees of the church and the victims were under the complete legal trust of the church.